Date: 2003-08-05 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silversolitaire.livejournal.com
LOL this is a rather fascinating topic, IMO. Tom, Sabby and I have discussed it for a long time last night *g*.

Replacing it, good idea! That was also the question raised. Why can't I just make another object when I'm a God? And I said some things cannot be reproduced such as blessings or charms. So this is why it would have to be THIS object. Besides, who is this mortal to think he can question a God? If the God wants that stone there, shouldn't the mortal just go "Yes Sir!" and hand it over?

And that was exactly my idea. If I am THE GOD and this is one of my followers, then I'd expect him to do as I say since I'm showing him enough grace when I deem it reasonable. So that's why I chose "Destroy the house to put him into his place!" ^_^;.

I'm just asking out of theological curiosity, really! ^.^

Date: 2003-08-05 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmazzy.livejournal.com
if i was the god i wouldn't destroy his house, i'd more likely make him feel really guilty and ask him to show he actually loved me by doing good deeds for other people.

Date: 2003-08-05 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silversolitaire.livejournal.com
That's a good idea, too! Maybe I'd do that instead of giving in my petty urge to destroy his house! XD

Date: 2003-08-05 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmazzy.livejournal.com
destroying his house would just piss him off and it would waste energy. making him do good deeds would be more productive. i am very pro-productive and anti-destructive.

Date: 2003-08-05 05:46 am (UTC)
fleurrochard: A black and white picture of a little girl playing air-guitar and singing (Default)
From: [personal profile] fleurrochard
And I said some things cannot be reproduced such as blessings or charms. So this is why it would have to be THIS object.

Hmm, but when I'm a God, why wouldn't I be able to reproduce blessings and charms, too?
*curious*

Date: 2003-08-05 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silversolitaire.livejournal.com
Because that's the whole point of a blessing or charm. It's unique. If you look at many instances in mythology you will often find that a God or Godess could not reproduce or undo a blessing or charm once it has been given. Take a very present example in the Bible for instance. Jacob cheats his brother Essau for the blessing of his forefathers. This blessing was given to Abraham by God and has been handed down to the first-born ever since. This was a unique blessing and could not be given again. So, when Jacob, the second born, fooled his father into give him the blessing instead it could not be reversed anymore. God couldn't interfere and say "Hey, this isn't your blessing!" and bless the other son instead. He had to accept it.

I guess this is what makes a blessing special, you know? That it cannot be reproduced just like that. Otherwise it wouldn't mean anything. Of course, there's always the notion of "charging" an object with a blessing. If you have a blessed object or artifact and touch another to it, then the blessing may also charge the other object. But it's still the very same blessing and it cannot be reproduced, only handed on.

Date: 2003-08-05 05:55 am (UTC)
fleurrochard: A black and white picture of a little girl playing air-guitar and singing (Default)
From: [personal profile] fleurrochard
Hmm, yes, that's true.
That does show, of course, that God is not almighty, because then he could reproduce it.

Date: 2003-08-05 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silversolitaire.livejournal.com
The power of a God must have its limits eventually and if it's just his or her own power that limits it. Otherwise it'd be a perpetuum mobile, wouldn't it? *g*

Date: 2003-08-05 06:04 am (UTC)
fleurrochard: A black and white picture of a little girl playing air-guitar and singing (Default)
From: [personal profile] fleurrochard
Ah, yes, the old paradox. Can God (who is almighty) make an object which he can't lift? If he can't, then he is not almighty, because then he could make it, but if he can, then he isn't almighty, too, because then he could lift it...
*g*

Date: 2003-08-05 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] no-ron.livejournal.com
yes he can, cause "God" doesn't roam around the land, lifting objects directly.
but he can make let's say a boulder. and then make a little boy, who has no chance to lift it. and then make Hercules (or something alike anyway).
so God makes objects that he both can and cannot lift. ;p

there's a better one.. can God make 2+2=5?
and you know, he's marvelously inventive.. yes, he can. in a schoolboy's math mistake.

Date: 2003-08-05 07:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] no-ron.livejournal.com
and isn't it?
i mean, where is everything coming from?

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