Evil Evolutionism!

[silversolitaire]

Okay, I've seen this site before and I've already made fun of it, but I just happened to surf by again and I don't remember having seen this bullshit before. That's one thing I just don't get about religious nuts. I don't blame anyone for truly believing in God and Jesus. I'd never. If someone really believes in Jesus' words it only makes sense to live after them. So, it might sound odd to us to hear people say that this or that is wrong and you should always do this etc. but at least these people stick to their rules. It's not for me to question those. What I do question is people who just follow blindly, who have had it drilled into their heads that something is evil because the Bible says so and they just go along with it. That's what annoys me. When someone didn't take an active choice to believe into something but just accepts it as true because others say so.

Eh, I've digressed. Anyway, my point is, I don't get about religious nuts, CHRISTIAN religious nuts how they can so openly reject clear and present facts.

Example: The sad tale of Professor Giraffenstein and his little buddy Pepper the moth!

Fun Fact #1:
Moth: Hey Professor! Haven't dinos been extinct for million of years?
Prof: Wrong litte buddy... Dinosaurs still walk on the land and swim in the seas! And the Earth is less than 10,000 years old!

Okay... so, they ignore basically all the facts that are generally accepted by geologists, historians and a bunch of other academics. And to make it even worse they teach their children that and back it up with this hilarious site. What is this, The Lost World, part deux? And where did they nab those pictures from? Jurassic Park? How come they didn't even manage to take a decent camera with them when they supposedly saw real dinosaurs and had to resort to this pathetic doodle and why has the press never reported about this, if it happened last year? But wait, there's more!

Fun Fact #2:
Moth: I saw in a Secular movie that T-Rex was a vicious killing machine. Is this true?
Prof: No, Secular movies lie! T-Rex was a herbivore, its sharp teeth used to shred plants. The Ark's passengers were safe from harm!

This... is just... URGH! There's no animal on this world that has sharp and pointed teeth like the Tyrannosaurus Rex and is a herbiwore! It totally contradicts biology! How would the T-Rex have managed to shred plants with those teeth? And "secular"? WTF? First when I read this I was wondering why the hell people would feel the need to lie at children about that, until I read that Ark bit. And isn't this just painfully stupid? Does that mean that there weren't any carnivores in the Ark at all? So... what about lions and tiger and bears, oh my? Okay, not bears, but you get the drift.

Oh and the Bible (and our friends here) apparently endorse incest! Refer to Fun Fact #6.

And this one's my favorite...

Fun Fact #8:
Moth: My friend Bomby the bombadier beetle can shoot boiling-hot toxic chemicals out of his butt. Why?
Prof: God gave your friend that ability for defense against evil and as a testament against the false doctrine of Evolutionism!

That's RIGHT! Got nothing to add to that, thank you.

Comments

[dinahrae.livejournal.com]

That second bit about T-Rexes being herbivores is actually a palaeontologic theory, but it hasn't been proven and is still very disputed. But hey, how do they say? A little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge, and so they point at something, say "scientific fact", and feel all righteous. *shudders*

[andrewwyld.livejournal.com]

I don't believe any anti-evolution site that mentions the pepper moth can be for real.  I mean, the pepper moth is an organism which has evolved in the wild in a matter of dozens of years!  We've actually seen it happen!

[andrewwyld.livejournal.com]

I had never heard that.  Of course, the massive jaw size of the T-Rex is repsonsible for its puny arms (if it had a jaw that large and arms of a more useful size, it would either fall over or require a much larger tail).  Unless it required that jaw to eat entire tree-branches (and wood isn't that nourishing, even compared with grass or leaves, which aren't really that nourishing either), it's probably a reasonable conjecture that it required it for some kind of massive non-wood-related crunching exercise.

Also, science does not deal in facts, contrary to popular opinion, but in models:  A good scientific model predicts useful information about the world, which can then be verified experimentally.  The last century in particular has seen the overthrow of some cherished physical "laws".  For all that, the Newtonian theory of gravity was accurate enough to put people on the moon.  A good model is worth a great deal, and a bad model is quickly discarded.

[meadowgirl.livejournal.com]

holy good cheese and rice. i couldn't have written any of your rant any better. and i couldn't agree more if i tried.

it just blows me away!!!

xoxo

[tomkayito.livejournal.com]

Just felt like reading this article on the "dinosuar expidition", it's always good for a laugh, here are a few interesting facts about it:

The site they link to that supports their dinosuar theory, also supports evolution. The other links are always back to their own sites. Apparently they can't find a single other person anywhere that supports their oddball ideas of anti-evolution and dinosuars existing.

This picture of the "sort of conditions our Land Rovers had to face during our trek" seems awfully tame. Maybe it's just me, but there's definately a clear path driven out in the mud there and it's pretty obvious that the forest was cut back for this purpose. Needless to say, it really looks more like a scene clipped from Jurrasic Park than any expidition I've ever seen.

And of course, to make it a good story, you need a non-christian, easily bought off, poaching, evil hunter/tracker that was the best they could afford, while our hero says "It was right then that I planned to keep a close eye on this Nigel fellow the whole expedition."

"It was now quite clear that Stubbingwicke was stricken with a stubborn case of the mental disease of Atheism and that he might prove a hinderance to our research. Nevertheless, we witnessed to many natives unfamiliar with Jesus, as well as some whose only contact had been with Catholic Missionaries soft on Evolutionism. After setting them straight, we continued on our journey."

Such good christians, they go all this way for photographic proof of dinosuars and complain about not having the cash for the trip and then they waste all their time and supplies running around witnessing natives.

Their trek continues until they find an empty pygmy village, "One of the four porters had heard something prowling around the outer part of the village. The superstitious porters became fearful, thinking that the Mokele-Mbembe had come to steal their souls or something of the like. My team and I, however, knew quite well that the Apatosaurus is a harmless herbivore and that it posed no physical danger (and certainly none to our souls, which we have entrusted to Christ)." Yeah, those damn porters and their backwards beliefs. Almost as bad as our tracker and his "mental disease of Atheism"

Aha! Explination as to why there were no hunting remains of the dinosuars from in the villiage, "we knew that what must have really happened was that the warriors had killed a diseased Apatosaurus, as no band of these pygmies could take down a healthy giant."

Which naturally caused the entire village to become sick and die, except one "old man, he had no teeth and was not able to partake in the disgusting feast. His lack of dental hygiene had spared his life!"

But alas, the remains of this one and only kill, in all the years the villiage was there, were "gathered up all the Apotosaurus remains and took them to some hidden place to the South to perform cleansing rituals to their false gods"

Okay, this is just the biggest load of bullshit. They "found" the dinosuar and then say this: "Unfortunately, Po didn't have the presence of mind to stop yelling and take his camera out. I cannot blame him for this, as it must have been a mighty sight to behold, one that would have filled the soul with awe at this most magnificant creation of the Lord. I cannot honestly say that I wouldn't have acted the same had I been in Po's shoes. Nevertheless, we were ecstatic at this close encounter of the dinosaur kind and knew that we were finally going to vindicate Biblical research over the naysaying of the Atheistic hegemony of the paleontology establishment."

[tomkayito.livejournal.com]

Okay... yeah... about here is when it gets from a scientific sounding document into a Jurrasic Park wanna-be. Here's a few of the more pointless quotes that sum up how the story went from seemingly credible to an utterly pointless attempt at making Jurrasic Park: The Christian Adventure.

"he snuck off to hunt the Apatosaurus. Was he going to use that knife of his to get himself a trophy? I was sure this was the case." "I strongly suggested we immediately go through the dinosaur-sized hole in the jungle and find Stubbingwicke before he did anything rash. Against the protestations of our fearful guide Johnny, we did just that."

"I felt like Jonah as I entered the mouth of the Apatosaurus trail, only instead of trying to escape God's commands, I was following them above and beyond His call." (can we say Super-Christian? making yourself into a hero a bit much?) "And there was a stench -- an unbelievable stench!" "There in the middle of the trail was a steaming, heaping pile of something that I dare not say in mixed company, undoubtedly deposited recently by our quarry" "While in better circumstances we would have stopped to get a sample of this physical evidence (oh, what we would do in the name of Creation Science!), we knew much more was at stake up ahead so we held our noses and sidled past."



Ah, so that's why even with proof, you ran past it without getting any.
Here comes the heart pounding conclusion:

"Eventually the tunnel opened onto a larger cavern trampled out of the jungle" "This seemed a hub of a network of Apatosaur trails as other tunnel openings led off in various directions" " I chose the darker, more ominous trail immediately to the right of the one we had come up." "My unspoken worries, however, were of Stubbingwicke: would he willingly give up the hunt or would I have to fight him, mano a mano? While I am no slouch when it comes to fisticuffs (I was on the varsity boxing team back in my college days,) Nigel had weapons and exhibited decidedly un-Christian tendencies. As Johnny and I headed down the dark trail I prayed to Jesus for guidance and strength while readying my fists for action."



OMG!!11one1 He's going to fight the evil anti-christian poacher!

"My hunch was that it was an older trail, the darkness due to the regrowth of surrounding vegetation. It seemed to be heading downward, as if into a valley. Secure in my Faith, I plunged down into this valley of darkness, Johnny barely able to keep up. Finally, after rounding a bend, we found them. Below on the side of the trail was Stubbingwicke, hunched behind a branch with his rifle trained on something large further down in the darkness. Although I could see barely more than shadows, I knew what it was and what was happening. He was about to shoot the Apatosaurus!"

The climax of Jurrasic Park: Christian Stupidity!

[tomkayito.livejournal.com]

"Put down that weapon! The power of Christ compels you!" I immediately commanded, the words flowing through me as if from Above.

XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God, let me stop laughing long enough and I'll finish posting... *collapses in a fit of laughter*



"The power of my rebuke startled both him and the Apatosaurus, causing the former to turn toward me and issue a blasphemous curse while the latter disappeared down the trail. Before Stubbingwicke could notice that his prey was escaping, I ran to head him off. Now between him and the beast, I dropped my gear, rolled up my sleeves, put my fists up and issued a challenge: "If you want that dinosaur, you will have to get through me first!" Seeing that he had no choice but to deal with me, Stubbingwicke dropped his weapons, uttered some more blasphemies, and came at me with his fists. As I engaged him in fisticuffs, I called out to Johnny to take the camera and hurry down the path to get a photo, which the now-panicked guide nevertheless did.

Like most Atheists, Stubbingwicke was all tough talk, but deep inside he was weak since he did not have the Love of Christ to succor him and give him strength. His cynicism and disbelief proved no match for my Faith and I eventually had him on the defensive. As my fists found their mark as if by Divine guidence, he finally fell to the ground on all fours, too tired and beaten to give any more fight. I stayed my fists and stood over his pathetic, subdued form. More curious than angry, I asked him what he hoped to accomplish by killing the Apatosaurus. His reply, snarled from a bleeding cut lip, was as shocking as it was plausible, and I can still remember it verbatim:

"Do you seriously believe that we don't already know about these dinosaurs? Why do you think I agreed to come along on this little Christian adventure of yours? To make sure you don't get what you came for, that's why!"

Stubbingwicke was an Evolutionist! What's more, he was involved in a conspiracy to stymie our attempt to uncover evidence that would vindicate Creation Science. But who exactly was he working for? The NCSE? The Smithsonian? The American Atheists? The usual suspects fluttered through my mind like bitter, God-less butterflies as I reeled from this revelation."



Ah yes, it all makes sense now. Those damn evolutionists knew dinosuars existed the entire time, and they went through all this trouble just to stop you.

I'll sum the rest up without quoting anymore. Mr. Johnny managed to get that pic at the very bottom and that's their "proof" then the dinosuar magically disappeared into the jungle and they all agreed "Yeah, we were here like 3 weeks tracking it, why waste another day getting a good picture when we can just take this crappy one and go home"

Oh, and the steaming pile of dinoshit, that evil tracker stole it all on the way back, and WAS NEVER HEARD FROM AGAIN!!! Ooo, scary.

Anyhow, just look at the picture at the very bottom for half a minute and tell me if you would put more funding into this guy to do more research if all he got was... THAT.

It sums up nicely with this: "I suspect that powerful forces are at work trying to stop us. But we have the Lord and Truth on our side, so our success is assured whatever trials may be in store for us." We want more money to go on another trip and "This time we will be more careful whom we invite along."

[silversolitaire.livejournal.com]

There actually is a pepper moth? XD

It just beats me how people can reject evolution so categorically! I mean, I can understand when they contest parts of it, but in large portions there just isn't much room for discussion!

[oddness, I never got your reply! I just saw it by mere coincidence! *whacks LJ* And I thought nobody was interested ;_;]

[silversolitaire.livejournal.com]

Dude! LJ mailed me your comment just now! >_< Noticed the others by mere coincidence. *grumbles at LJ*

And yes, this just blows me away as well. I just don't understand how people can accept this >_<.

[silversolitaire.livejournal.com]

Somehow I can't see how anyone with such teeth could be a herbivore, but okay. I'm not exactly the uber-biologist ^_^;. And yes, you're totally right. People who don't care to question things will just accept this as truth. And whjen you really scrape at the surface you notice that all the evidence and secondary literature they cite either leads back to their own stuff or doesn't even agree with them! It's just pathetic. Almost like those Chick tracts.

And stupid LJ >_<. Didn't send me your comment at all. I hope it didn't do that with others before ;_;.

[silversolitaire.livejournal.com]

Thank you for that! That was very interesting to read and very insightful! ^_^

[andrewwyld.livejournal.com]

They're coming through slowly ... it'll probably filter through over the next forty-eight.

The pepper moth, incidentally, has its pepper pattern to enable it to blend with tree bark, etc.  After the industrial revolution filled the nation's skies with beautiful, black smoke, and several hundred tonnes of picturesque coal-dust joined them, the pepper moth darkened rapidly to a uniform black.  It is now returning more or less to its former colour.

From what I recall of the more enlightened creationist arguments, they probably use the pepper moth to accept the existence of limited-level evolution, while denying the existence of speciation (the key point at which a single species of organism becomes two or more species incapable of interbreeding -- actually, horses and donkeys can be bred to produce mules, but mules are sterile, in other words, the interbreeding process is either imperfect or completely non-functional).

It has been argued that speciation has never been observed, and therefore, that there is no scientific evidence for it.  It may be that horses and donkeys are actually in the process of speciation, so perhaps mules will become an impossibility at some future point; however, seeing that we don't have a complete manifest of all species on earth, we may never be able to tell when a new species comes into being (unless it be from a well-known population of one species which has already been studied).

[andrewwyld.livejournal.com]

Thank you!

[andrewwyld.livejournal.com]

the baddy's name is Stubbingwicke?

Tell me he has moustachios.  I will offer eighty-million gold doubloons to any man who can prove Stubbingwicke has moustachios!  I bet he's a British homosexual too, the cad.

(Women identifying Stubbingwicke's moustachios will receive a token gift of an iron.)

[glenraven.livejournal.com]

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!

::holds stomach as fits of laughter continue::

oohh, the evil Smithsonian, yes they are out to get all of us...

hee!

And the whole time I am reading this I am imagining the voice of the crocodile hunter as well.

And i can just see him going, "Look, it's the most dangerous animal in the world... an athiest. Let's poke it with a stick."

[silversolitaire.livejournal.com]

Nyahahaha! That actually made me laugh out loud! Now I can probably never think about it without thinking about the Crocodile Hunter! XD!

[silversolitaire.livejournal.com]

Oh! Oh! Oh!!! That is the Pepper Moth! Then I know it! Just not under this name! I heard about it in my advanced biology class as an example for natural adaption. Is that the one that used to be white and sat around on birch trees and then the industrialisation made the bark go black and thus the ones that had the mutation of being black had an advantage to the white ones and so they won over by natural selection. Survival of the fittest par excellence.

You're right, that is rather odd. Then again, according to them, God is SO SMART so why shouldn't he just make a new moth when he realizes that the old one can't live in these times? ^_~

*rolls eyes* Of course we can't have clear evidence for speciation unless we lock all species everywhere into pens so we can watch then 24:7 and even then we probably won't be able to have them all in view either -.-. And you could have the same arguments against God as well. Catholics can say what they want, I don't believe in any of these supposedly documented miracles performed by our latest additions to sainthood. And ignoring the human aspect completely there will NEVER be an evidence for God's deeds unless we believe one or two weirdoes who claim to have seen / experienced it. A religious belief per se is build up on the will to believe something nobody will be able to prove to you most of the time. So it's really rather hypocritical to reject something because they don't have visual proof.

[andrewwyld.livejournal.com]

If you locked all species into pens, evolution would progress in a slightly different manner.  Would you give predators access to prey on a time-slot basis?  What about diseases, which can out-evolve any of us?

Of course, if you believe that God created everything then the existence of trees, plants, diesel oil and marshmallows are all evidence of God; however, they could all be evidence of something else.  In the end, the only important miracles take place inside people's heads; the only pattern you can discover in the gospel to Jesus's willingness to perform miracles (or unwillingness to perform like a trick monkey with @signs@) is that the recipients of the miracles really needed them -- they aren't supposed to be some kind of proof ....

[silversolitaire.livejournal.com]

Darn it, you, there goes my brilliant plan! :-P

As for miracles, they are meant as some kind of proof when taken as the justification to canonize someone. Since, even though it may not seem like it anymore, three miracles or more are still a prerequirement for sainthood. So, the Saint Factory, oops, the Vatican has a great interest in being able to prove miracles. Advocatus Diaboli and all that. But God himself is not supposed to have to prove his existence, yes. What would be the point of a dogma then.

[andrewwyld.livejournal.com]

It's a given that the absence of miracles is not proof of the absence of sanctity.

[silversolitaire.livejournal.com]

On the other hand, how else would you prove that a normal human being deserves the status of a saint at all, if not through normal worldly proof? To me, personally, it's easy. There is no proof. I don't believe in humans ever being able to reach the stage of sainthood, so I think all of this is rather otiose.

But yes, just because the lightning bolt doesn't crash down right in front of you doesn't mean that Zeus hasn't been aiming at you the entire time ^.~.

[andrewwyld.livejournal.com]

It's a point, I suppose.  But if someone did attain that state, would they tell you?

[kmazzy.livejournal.com]

MAN!

this si so amusing. at least it's not as scary as the chick tracts. they really actually scared me!