silversolitaire: (shocked)
silversolitaire ([personal profile] silversolitaire) wrote2002-10-31 11:19 pm

Uhm...

This is odd and somewhat strangely amusing, but also very creepy...

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1010/1010_01.asp

Look at the insane gleam in her eyes... O.o Religious fanatics, gotta love them. I finally know who those people are! I already collected a bunch of their booklets, given to me on all sorts of different places all over the world, Paris, Edinburgh, NY, London... I never knew who they belonged to. I still don't, actually... look at that weird pose for prayer they assume... Who are these people?

Other titles they sell:

Are Roman Catholics Christians? - Religion can't save, only Jesus can!
Allah Had No Son - The Allah of Islam is not the God of creation
Who Murdered Clarice? - It looked like they were going to get away with it ... but Someone was watching. An anti-abortion message.

You know, they seem to sell their booklets expensively too poor people who try to become soul-collectors. This is sad. I thought you couldn't buy salvation! Sheesh...

*is now serious freaked the more I think about it...*

[identity profile] boixboi.livejournal.com 2002-10-31 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
No, wait, I found something even worse in here. In its section on supporting Israel (that could be an entirely separate rant, but I shall not go there now), it suggests that the holocaust was done by "Catholic Germany." Catholic Germany! Catholics were looked down upon! It was a protestant movement! Many Catholics were kicked out of Germany! MY GOD! It is worse than their interpretation of the bible and particularly the old testament, totally missing the point about where and when heaven came into the picture...but I guess you don't need historical context if you're an asshole.

[identity profile] silversolitaire.livejournal.com 2002-10-31 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess you don't need historical context if you're an asshole

Heh, that's certainly true.

But about the Germany vs. Catholics bit, that's not entirely true. Protestant movement started in Germany, yes, but the balance between Catholics and Protestants was always kinda even. As it is now, it's about 50/50. The North-West generally is more Protestant, whereas the South (Bavaria specifically) is very Catholic. Most villages have Virgin Mary statues at the town square and all that. So, I'm not sure what you refer to. Since there only is a Germany as we know it a couple of centuries now and before that it used to be a quilt of all sorts of counties and what have you, I don't think anything like that happened then. And as far as I know, Nazi Germany didn't have a problem with Catholics either, even though they had a dislike for the church in general. What did happen occasionally is that when a region got a new Lord everybody had to change their denomination, too. Dunno if that's it... What I'm saying is that today Bavaria is then biggest, wealthiest and most influencing state of Germany and they are 98% Catholic. So maybe that's what they're referring to?

At any rate, they're full of crap. I just finished reading the anti-gay ones (Doom Town and Sin City) and I have a headache. The anti-Dungeon & Dragon one is very odd too... (Dark Dungeon)

[identity profile] boixboi.livejournal.com 2002-10-31 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, Nazi Germany did have a problem with Catholics, and many were persecuted. It was a protestant German thing, and this is what I am talking about. When I say "persecuted," I mostly mean thrown out of the country, not taken to death camps, it's not like what happened to Jewish/gay/gypsy/politically conscious Germans at the time, which was much worse.

Yeah, the gay ones are definitely very bad, I think the whole "God has cursed these African nations" really got to me more than most of it, on top of the suicide, teenagers-think-hell-is-one-big-party thing. The gay ones, while theoretically more offensive, well, I think I have just gotten used to it because America is how it is, people bashing me for that reason is just so normal now. Roar.

[identity profile] silversolitaire.livejournal.com 2002-11-01 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
This is the first time I'm hearing this. I've studied quite a bit about German history (that's kinda a given since I grew up there ^_^;;;) and all I know is that the Nazi regime had a general problem with the church, but let them be mainly. Some Lutheran priests went to death camps to comfort their people and died along with them, like Bonhoeffer for example. The Catholic church was frowned upon for years because they kept so quiet during the Third Reich and I think last year or so they issued an official apology. I'm really interested, can you tell me some concrete examples, so I can research on it?

And yeah, I know what you mean. The gay one is nothing new, really. But it still annoys me. How they manipulate the reader with cheap tricks of imagery. The "good Christians" always look like fair angels with pretty faces and perfect hair, and the "bad ones" always have crazy eyes and mean expressions on their faces. And the image composition and so on... this is just so manipulative. What's really getting to me is how these booklets seem to react to comtemporary reasoning. Like I absolutely believe the Sodom and Gomorrah bit is not about homosexuality but inhospitality and then the booklet actually says how this isn't true. So, to a doubting reader this might change their view again. And the Allah one gives pseudo-scientific evidence, including citing sources (never mind the fact that they cite their own books). So it always sounds somewhat plausible. With the exception of the evolution one which I have read three times so far and I still don't understand the reasoning at some parts... ^_^;;;

[identity profile] boixboi.livejournal.com 2002-11-02 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
There are things you here, growing up Catholic, that may or may not be true. So quite frankly, it could all be lies, but it is very agreed upon among my other Catholic born friends. So, I can't give you any examples, and I wouldn't hesitate to say that it may all just be lies that they tell us.